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Why do young artists leave Atlanta?

Written By Larissa Erin Greer on April 6, 2011 in COLUMNS, featured

Le Flash 2009: Mons Boris was a performance produced by Emma Adair (interview below) and Jane Garver that incorporated audiences into the action. Photo by Faith Ploener for BURNAWAY.

Seven former Atlantans share their reasons for trading cities: Emma Adair, Baxter Crane, Ben Grad, Danielle Harris, Meriam Salem, Ben Venom, and Larissa Erin Greer, the author of this article who compiled their stories below.

After packing up all my belongings and relocating my life across the country to San Francisco, California, just eight months ago, I was confronted with mixed feelings about moving away. I was leaving behind a family of truly amazing artists who I deeply love and cherish in the name of seeking creative opportunities elsewhere. But I’m not alone in this situation. A curious thing happens in Atlanta — sometimes at art openings, sometimes in corners of classrooms, and, more often than not, after a few drinks at Manuel’s Tavern — young artists cluster together and chatter in hushed tones about their plans to leave the city.

More often than not, those plotting their departure are highly active leaders of Atlanta’s emerging art scene. Some just toy with the idea, their eyes shining as they imagine living in Brooklyn … or Portland … or Paris. But others talk about it so much, the possibility of staying moves further and further out of sight, until one day you’re standing in front of a stack of cardboard boxes thinking, “Damn, this is actually happening.”

The transition has been tough for me, but it has already proved worthwhile. In this short span of time, I find myself living in a studio in Oakland, attending an amazing MFA program at California College of the Arts, and working as a PR director for a three-gallery compound in the heart of San Francisco’s Tenderloin district.

What I left behind was a city wrecked with unemployment where I worked as a bartender (with a college degree), lived with my parents (because I couldn’t afford rent on my own), and felt frustrated at both my lack of growth and lack of validation as a serious artist. Watching the protests surrounding the proposed elimination of the Georgia Council for the Arts was the last straw: I knew then that I had to get out.

But my decision has had its set-backs, because I already feel disconnected from the group of people I worked alongside, despite my best efforts to stay in touch. I wondered what happened to them — the many friends and colleagues who, like me, had taken the last bus out of Coca-Cola City.

So I asked them, and, as a way of understanding why we left, I present you with their thoughts, in their own words. I know that some of you are also considering leaving, and others are frustrated because they don’t understand why this continues to happen. Please read further and comment freely on this article; I want to hear your stories, too.

Le Flash 2008: Social Insects was another creation by Emma Adair and Jane Garver. Photo by Ben Grad (interview below) for BURNAWAY.

Emma Adair, Penn State

Along with Meriam Salem (interview below), sculptor Emma Adair and I were fellow members of the short-lived Cheap Paper collective that several of us cofounded together during our last year in Atlanta. Adair moved with her husband to the (somewhat) frozen tundra that is State College, Pennsylvania, to pursue her MFA at Penn State.

Emma Adair

One of the most overachieving artists I knew in Atlanta, Adair was raking in academic accolades, successful grants, and public art commissions left and right. She contributed work to Le Flash in both 2008 and 2009, completed a project for Art on the BeltLine last summer, participated in a flurry of group exhibitions, and is currently working with the Reynoldstown community on a public art space located on Wylie Street.

The dismantling of Cheap Paper was abrupt, but the partnerships stuck. Adair continues to reach out and collaborate with members of the group from afar.

“Cheap Paper unofficially disbanded last August, but I still collaborate with my ‘sculpture girlfriend’ from the group, Jane Garver,” said Adair. “Our artistic union began before the group took form, so it was natural to continue working afterwards. But Jane and another member, Katie Coleman, have a show opening up called So This One Time … at MINT Gallery on April 9. I’m going to fly in and check out the show. I have also had Larissa contribute to a postcard project I’m doing here. So I feel the group is still very much alive.”

“I would say that, of my peers, more have stayed in Atlanta than left, probably 75-25 percent,” she continued. “But I would say the 25 percent that left have been able to get more shows and coverage than the 75 percent that remain.”

Outside of her acceptance to Penn State, Adair says there wasn’t much in the way of new challenges in Atlanta: “Once you’ve shown at MINT, Beep Beep, Eyedrum (which is unfortunately closed now), and maybe Young Blood, there really are not many other places to go. Someone might put an impromptu show together in an unofficial spot. But once you’ve done the circuit, you do find yourself looking around, wondering what’s next.”

“I’m in grad school right now, so from my location, going to New York, Philadelphia, and Pittsburgh is only a day trip away,” she explained. “All those places have great communities and opportunities for emerging artists. I’m not saying that Atlanta is a wasteland by any means, but our galleries don’t recognize the unknown artist. I think arts crawls in other cities include more alternative show spaces. There is a real mixed crowd.”

Adair expressed a desire to be closer to some of the aforementioned cities that have a more supportive artistic community. Like me, she left Atlanta over the summer and is still experiencing a pull towards the people she left behind.

“Seriously, the South has something that the rest of the country doesn’t,” she added. “We have a charm, this amazing attitude that is frustrating and endearing. I miss the beautiful diversity.”

This photograph appears on Ben Grad's website under the category "adventures," alongside his work in music events and portraits.

Ben Grad, Brooklyn

Photographer Ben Grad is currently living in Brooklyn, New York, dividing his time between assisting commercial photographers and starting up an electronic repair business with his friend David London.

Ben Grad

Before he left Atlanta, Grad was “all over the place in the Atlanta art scene,” most notably as a contributor to BURNAWAY. “I also did a lot of work with groups like Food Not Bombs and Mad Housers,” he said. “Aside from ‘scenes’ and such, you could probably have found me taking photos somewhere in Atlanta on any given night.”

Before packing it up three months ago, Grad’s list of involvements on creative projects in the city included starting BURNAWAY with Jeremy Abernathy and Susannah Darrow. He ran an event space located in the West End called The Fishmarket in the summer of 2009, hosting local bands such as The Back Pockets, American Cheeseburger, The Selmanaires, Adron, Book of Colors, and so on. He exhibited photography at Archive Gallery within the first months it was open, booked concerts at MINT Gallery, and made the rounds volunteering at all the usual suspects: WonderRoot, MINT, and Eyedrum. He wrote for Deconform magazine (later renamed False) on their final four issues.

So why would someone like Grad leave all of this behind?

“About a year ago, I realized that Atlanta was getting too comfortable,” he said. “So when David [London] called to ask me to work with him in NYC starting in January, I accepted without too much internal debate. I also left with the idea that New York might offer more opportunities for me to find commercial photography work.”

Still, his heart most definitely remains in the South. “My friends are pretty good about letting me know when they’re coming into NYC, and occasionally photography/film friends get in touch about collaborating,” he explained. “I don’t recall any particular challenges which caused me to leave. I’ve never had trouble finding a place to show my work, and I don’t think there is anything particular to Atlanta [that] stifles artistic or professional development.”

At the end of our email correspondence, Grad left me with this final thought, dedicated to fellow artist Karen Tauches: “This might be simplistic, but I’ve always thought of cities as more of a collection of overlapping communities than geographic spaces. To that extent, there really isn’t that much of a difference between Atlanta and my new home. When I meet a musician here, there’s a good chance they know members of a half-dozen of my favorite Atlanta bands. When I talk to an artist about their work, we quickly realize we’ve been influenced by the same group of people. We’re somewhat familiar with the bigger artists from our region, and we read the same magazines, blogs, zines, etc. Because of that, I feel like NYC is just an extension of Atlanta. And I usually don’t feel like I’ve left Atlanta at all.”

Chromatic was an exhibition of 16 graphic artists in 2010.

Danielle Harris, Los Angeles

Next I contacted graphic designer and all-around interesting lady, Danielle Harris, who recently relocated to Los Angeles, California, for a graphic design position at the West Coast office of the Atlanta-based Alternative Apparel in October of 2010.

Danielle Harris

While she was in Atlanta, Harris was a longtime contributor to Album 88, Georgia State University’s student-run radio station, working as the host of the Georgia Music Show. She remembers the experience fondly: “I hadn’t signed on as host of the show knowing the opportunity I’d inherit. Essentially, the show threw me knee deep into the local music scene, and it was through this that I was able to help local artists and labels gain recognition and overall support from their community. I’m convinced that Album 88 is an organization that’s played and continues to play a large role in the health of the Atlanta music scene.”

After graduating, Harris plunged into a career as a graphic designer. Feeling that Atlanta had a lack of appreciation for interesting design, Harris teamed up with Zopi Kristjanson to produce an exhibition of work by Atlanta-based designers called Chromatic. The plan for the show was finalized, and Harris and Kristjanson gave their artists a month and half to complete their color-intensive work.

“To our great surprise, around 400 people came to see Chromatic,” she said. “Many people stated they had no idea how much they loved graphic design.”

Even though leaving was a difficult decision, Harris saw the move as an opportunity to grow as a designer. A slightly different conversation surrounds the design community in Atlanta, and it’s something that impacts the fine arts community as well — the need for creative employment.

“I’ve known a lot of people to acquire a great deal of success once hired at Adult Swim or Cartoon Network,” she continued. “[They are] pretty well known for giving creative professionals a substantial job and creative freedom. Otherwise, I’ve known a few to work closely with Armchair Media, a great design firm in Atlanta, or places like Primal Screen and Mail Chimp. There are definitely some thriving, innovative design firms in Atlanta that could challenge the work of any other major city.”

“On the flip side, I’ve also known a lot of talented people unable to get jobs mostly because of lack of connection to these places,” she continued. “A connection, whether through friends or acquaintances, is the best way to get a job. The smallness plays into the positions available at some of these places, too. With the economic situation, a lot of prospective design firms also had to shut down.”

When I asked her about the limitations of being an artist in Atlanta, Harris responded: “For fine artists, I sometimes wonder. I don’t think that’s it’s a ceiling as much as it’s just lower bar of expectations. The artists I’ve met here who are even hesitant to say they’ve made it are definitely under a lot more scrutiny and are traveling the country showing their work. They’re keeping day jobs to make the fine art thing work.”

“I think artists in Atlanta and even gallery owners should be challenging their own tastes while challenging their artists to get some sort of international recognition,” she added. “Gallery owners seem to get just as comfortable as their resident artists, and sometimes a show can feel a lot like the last show I saw the year before.”

During the few times we’ve seen each other since moving to California, I could sense that Harris shared my feelings of being torn between two place. Harris grew up in the heart of Atlanta, which explains her understandable lament at leaving behind friends and family, parking-lot burritos, and the hot-ass Atlanta sunshine.

“Atlanta is rad right now,” she said. “It’s healthy, and it’s growing in wild spurts. People are passionate and open to new ideas. To have curated an event like Chromatic and to see the power and natural curiosity of the residents in Atlanta, it pretty much broke my heart to walk away. Atlanta’s got what it takes. It just needs the people to push the comfort zone — to piss people off even. I encourage Atlanta lovers to get up and travel. Get inspired. Push, push, push.”

Baxter Crane, Warrior Mantis, 2009, water color, pen and ink.

Baxter Crane, still in ATL, but leaving soon

While I was home in Atlanta over the winter holidays, I went out to several gallery happenings where I ran into illustrator Baxter Crane. Someone casually mentioned to me that she was planning to leave for San Francisco, so I began talking to her about the challenges of apartment hunting, offering tips and a couch to sleep on when she arrives.

Baxter Crane

Hearing Crane’s enthusiasm for the adventure ahead brought me back to my feelings of excitement before leaving town. Still living in Atlanta, she currently trying to find a place in SF for herself and two “fuzzy buddies,” which is proving to be difficult due to the long-distance nature of the hunt. But she remains positive in the hopes that something will come up.

“I create my best work when I am busy, so I tried my best to get into whatever I could find here in Atlanta,” she said. “I volunteered with Beep Beep Gallery, and [the owners] Mark, James, and Steve were all awesome guys to work with. The amount of love they put into their space, a space that barely makes them any real profit, was really inspiring for me. It gave me a lot of opportunities to show my work and meet other artists.”

A regular on the Ponce Crush circuit, Crane is one artist that I have always known tangentially, because she is always present, always showing, and super active in projects all over the city. She’s done everything from designing t-shirts for ThoughtMarker to handing over dozens of works for local charity auctions. Although she’s someone I consider a pillar of the emerging artist community, Crane has been weighing her options for several years and, now, is in the overwhelming process of wrapping things up.

“I got involved with Dashboard Co-Op, which is a group of emerging Atlanta artists represented by my friends Courtney Hammond and Beth Malone,” she said. “I used to work with Courtney, and she’s a great gal to have promoting you because she knows so many people around town and never takes an opportunity lightly. We are presently working on an outdoor mural that the Cabbagetown community commissioned from Dashboard.”

“I did some work for Creative Loafing painting one of their newspaper boxes that now lives in Criminal Records,” she said. “The last big thing I was involved in was Living Walls; that was an epic event. I hope the murals that it provided to the city raised a little more public art awareness, which this town is sorely lacking …. I don’t see how the streets in a city with so many talented artists can look so incredibly boring.”

Crane explained that she was drawn to San Francisco for that very reason: “The massive amount of quality art visible on the streets is one of the things that really impressed me about SF.”

The main reason for Crane’s departure is because she’s trying to branch out and support her work through pursuing a career in animation. After beating down doors in Atlanta, Crane faced the same, very real roadblock that Danielle Harris mentioned.

“I should have gotten into internships before my undergrad was over, because it is impossible for me as a post-grad to get in,” she explained. “Whatever I am trying isn’t working, and I feel like the disappointments are ruing my drive. So my move isn’t because Atlanta has a sad, tired scene — it’s because I want to go to a good school to master in animation and figure out what I am missing as an artist. My ‘making it’ would be to get into Pixar or Dreamworks or an animation company like that as a visual developer. So, no guts no glory right? Plus, who could pass up driving two cats across the country?”

Before leaving town, Crane will appear in one last show: the upcoming Exquisite Corpse exhibition at MINT Gallery. “I’m gonna work like hell to leave on a good note,” she said.

Ben Venom, Iron Fist, 2009, vintage heavy metal t-shirts, fabric, thread, 11 x 13 inches. Image courtesy BenVenom.com.

Ben Venom, San Francisco

The next person on my list was none other than Ben Venom, the heavy-metal quilter. Venom and I met for the first time at an opening reception here in San Francisco. Upon hearing that I was fresh out of Atlanta, his smile widened and his voice radiated Southern hospitality. It was in this moment that I realized how loving the Atlanta art community is, and how even when we scatter out into the world, we are never strangers to each other.

Ben Venom

Venom currently teaches screen-printing at the San Francisco Art Institute, Kala Art Institute, and Workshop SF. He also works full-time as a custom framer, volunteers time at a church on Sundays, and exhibits his work all over, from San Francisco’s up-and-coming Guerrero Gallery to galleries as far as South Carolina and even Germany.

Having spent several years living outside Atlanta, Venom has an interesting perspective on what it means to move away. Before leaving the city, he was Young Blood Gallery‘s first intern, and he stayed active by both making art and organizing exhibitions with fellow Georgia State University students.

“I was not really involved in any startups in ATL,” said Venom. “However, back in 2001 or 2002, many of the upcoming gallery owners were meeting on a regular basis to discuss art shows, money, and scheduling of events. It was primarily the alternative art scene that was trying to reestablish itself as a stronger force.”

“I have a few friends that achieved a high level of success [but] most of them left for New York City,” he continued. “There is a ceiling for any art scene in any city. For the last couple of years, there has been a lot of discussion about how Bay Area artists achieve a little success, and then leave for LA or NYC. So … it’s not just ATL.

“It really depends on what you want as an artist and if the city you live in is able to offer that to you,” he explained. “San Francisco has been good to me, and a lot of my friends are doing really well here. But one really important aspect to consider is that we all have exhibitions in other cities and countries throughout the year. I try and not limit myself to showing in one place all the time.”

I asked Venom what he would consider a marker of success for an artist working in the Atlanta art scene. He responded: “To me it would be having a contemporary gallery representing and selling my work. Galleries like Saltworks, Solomon Projects, or Barbara Archer are some galleries I see pushing new and engaging work from ATL.”

He describes his desire to move away as being fueled by boredom; he had reached a plateau in his own personal practice, and he was tired of going to the same galleries every month for openings. Venom packed up and left to pursue a graduate degree from the San Francisco Art Institute, leaving behind his cherished Clermont Lounge and nights drinking at El Myr with friends.

“The art scene here in SF is a little more focused than in ATL,” he said. “We are close to LA and are able to be a part of that art scene as well.”

Of all of the places Venom frequented in Atlanta, only Young Blood Gallery has stayed in touch with him. “Those ladies are the best,” he said. “They have always supported me throughout the years and still include me in group exhibitions.”

But opportunity continues to embrace him in the Bay Area, where he is participating in Bay Area Now 6 at the Yerba Buena Center for the Arts this July, in addition to showing some of his metal quilts in England this June.

Meriam Salem, Vam, 2009 (in corner at left), multimedia installation. Click the image for more info.

Meriam Salem, San Francisco

For my last interview, I sat down with my current collaborator and Oakland neighbor, Meriam Salem, who (along with her fiancé, musician Nathaniel Murphy) left behind an administrative position at the Creative Circus in Atlanta to pursue a wider range of opportunities in the Bay Area. They made a three-year stop in Atlanta after leaving Chicago, because they felt Atlanta held a lot of promise.

Meriam Salem

“Atlanta is actually an unexpected, charming, little-big city,” she said. “It is a forward-pulling momentum in the laid-back, conservative Bible belt. It is a hopeful blue dot in a bright red state. It is always in transition, and that is precisely why my fiancé and I were magnetized there during our time of transition. We were only there for three years, so I can’t say what it was like a decade ago or five years ago. But I saw that city go through numerous transitions in the short while I was there. Hip and trendy boutiques like Vacation opened (albeit for a brief time before they closed), Criminal Records got bigger, my favorite galleries Get This! and Saltworks were added to the Westside Arts District, and the Edgewood district was inching towards tragically hip with the addition of my favorite vegetarian restaurant Dynamic Dish and Noni’s bar …. Really, it’s endless. I had so much fun watching it all happen.”

Leaving behind a community that she and Murphy had worked to integrate themselves into was the hardest part of leaving. “I was even so fortunate as to meet some really great people,” she continued. “It was especially easy to connect with people who have lived somewhere else previous to Atlanta, because there was a special unspoken, mutually understood kinship of knowing what it’s like on the outside. But I will admit that, although it is a really cute city, it certainly falls short in filling the shoes of ‘big city’ cultural offerings.”

Some of these cultural offerings are what pulled Salem to the Bay Area, where she currently works as a project manager for an architecture firm, in addition to volunteering with the San Francisco Museum of Modern Art (SFMOMA) and scouting out a studio space.

“The small-town qualities are what made it easier to seek out and find the niche community of people attempting to accomplish similar goals,” she said. “Unfortunately, they never lived up to grand expectations. That’s what made it easier to get away with, well, not-so-sophisticated-or-polished art and music. I think the art community there was a little thirsty for current happenings and cultural events beyond your typical bird-infested indie craft fair. Through my fortunate meetings with some great musicians and artists, I was able to be a part of a pop-up art show (AXIOM) which, to me now, seems almost revolutionary for Atlanta. I see it all over the San Francisco in vacant storefronts and office building lobbies, but, in Atlanta, I guess it was really special. I truly miss how the things that are taken for granted out here are so special there.”

For a couple of highly creative musician-artist-creator hybrids like Murphy and Salem, the employment issue wasn’t what ultimately drew them away from Atlanta, but the inspiration and opportunities to interact with higher levels of art on a regular basis.

“It feels like artists are perpetually ‘emerging’ in Atlanta,” she explained. “San Francisco is home to many more established groups of artists being seriously represented in galleries. We knew we had to move on because we were missing the kind of connection to culture you could only get in a big city, like Chicago, where we had moved to Atlanta from. You know, things like the MCA in Chicago or the SFMOMA here, the crazy amounts of interesting pop-up galleries, happenings, and (good) concerts. I mean, sure, it’s no New York, but even the exterior James Turrell installation at the stuffy de Young Museum kicks the entirety of the High Museum’s ass.”

Would you go back to ATL?

For my last question, I asked each artist if they would return to the city for an artistic project if the opportunity presented itself.

Emma Adair: “I love Atlanta and think that things are truly better now than a year ago. The outlook isn’t totally bleak, but the money situation in Atlanta is bleak. The community at large needs to step up a little more. Look at other cities in the country of the same size and see how the support their arts community receives really does lift up the entire city. Tourism, aesthetically, culturally, everything.”

Ben Grad: “I’d love to come back to Atlanta to work at some point, and I’ve always assumed I’d be pulled back to Atlanta permanently eventually. I’m planning to visit for a week or so sometime over the summer, spending my time documenting as much of the city as possible.”

Danielle Harris: “I was asked to work with some people in Chromatic on second round. In all honesty, I want that to happen, but I don’t think I’m ready just yet to focus so much energy on an out-of-town project. Los Angeles is my home now. It supports me, and I’m curious what I can do to give back here. I <3 ATL.”

Baxter Crane: “I have been active in the arts here for about seven years, and I would still be glad to take on new opportunities here.”

Ben Venom: “I would like to be in the ART PAPERS annual auction again …. HA! As mentioned before … I am a Southerner. So, I welcome projects in ATL. Hit me up! Kiss My Grits!”

Meriam Salem: “I wouldn’t say, ‘no’ to the opportunity if it arose, but I’m not quite sure if I’d expend energy to initiate something there right now. There are a lot more opportunities than I can even begin to explore out here.”

This is a love letter, not a goodbye

After speaking with so many amazing artists (several not included in this article), I can’t help but feel that I made the right decision in leaving Atlanta. The flip-side is that I left a long list of collaborators, friends, and family members behind — in a city that, for all its apparent disadvantages, still has me watching with intense curiosity to see what happens next.

Atlanta’s young artists have such a powerful energy; I truly believe that, if they were given the necessary tools and support from the city’s establishment, they would put together some incredible projects, open new creative businesses, and flourish as a community of creative thinkers and makers.

If I felt that the city’s mid-tier galleries would welcome my work after completing my graduate degree, I would consider giving things another shot. I just don’t know if those spaces are as open to the idea as they could be. Making the jump from “emerging artist” to “mid-career” is one of the most difficult things to do. As Lisa Tuttle famously remarked, Atlanta is the city “where artists emerge until they die.”

I don’t have all the answers for the questions raised in this article, but I definitely think that a larger conversation between decision-makers needs to happen. If you’re one of these people, I urge you to connect with someone older, or younger, or on the opposite end of the spectrum — and just talk to them about what you might accomplish together.

The only way for Atlanta’s art world to stay fresh, exciting, current, and weird is to nourish the growth of the city’s young artists. Imagine a day when people might flock to Atlanta instead of leaving it. Wouldn’t it be nice, five or ten years down the road, to see them coming from New York, Chicago, and San Francisco, all in the name of art?

I would love to be there.


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  • charlie

    wow, this post sounds almost identical to the idea behind the “Stay Here in Atlanta” project. Hmmm….

    http://www.ideacapitalatlanta.org/artist.php?id=17

  • http://www.joemartinezphotography.com Joe Martinez

    Glad I came across this article. I’m not involved in the gallery scene or the fine art scene here in Atlanta. I’m an editorial photographer going on my 3rd year as a full time freelancer. I graduated from Portfolio Center right when the economy really dipped, and since then, it’s been a struggle keeping myself afloat. I have some really great weeks where I’m super busy; I’m traveling, shooting, fist pumping when that check hits my mailbox. But those good weeks are becoming farther and fewer between. After a long stay in NYC last week, I’m feeling the pull of that city and it’s opportunities more and more. A majority of my graphic design friends have moved there, and have been working there long enough to establish themselves in their respective firms. To me, these are opportunities to stay busy, stay shooting, and develop connections. I absolutely LOVE Atlanta, but like the photographer in the article said, it’s gotten too comfortable here, and I’m ready for something more. I’m ready to put it on the line again. I did it when I came here for school. I think it’s time to jump off the next cliff.

  • http://briantreadwell.com briantreadwell

    Atlanta is as grand as any place; it’s just that few knows it yet. this ‘disestablished’ confidence Atlantans have is more modern-american than most. it’s just that few knows it yet. so, when you’re in other ‘big’ cities and Art Peoples ask you where you’re from…they ask, ‘what goes on there?’

    they don’t know; they don’t care; they don’t have to.

  • http://michelyah.com Michelyah

    I love the different perspectives in this article. As an artist in Atl myself , I hate to say it but after a while I’ve become bored with my current surroundings. Atlanta is such a cozy city but that’s the part that irks me too. You’ll always bump into someone you know…which is cool but I think Im craving some diversity.

  • http://www.litumadesign.com Edgar Lituma

    Knowing both Ben Grad and Danielle Harris this is the sad truth. For me going to any of my friends’ galleries/art shows and seeing them active in the Atlanta artist community usually means their imminent departure is near. Atlanta seems to have no problem molding artistd but it has a hard time keeping them.

    I know I plan on being in San Francisco in about 3-5 years due to the nature of the city and the huge presence of the video game design industry along with a strong design presence over all.

  • Ryan

    Man, fuck this. Stop leaving Atlanta to go leech off other city’s art scenes and start making shit happen here. Brooklyn/SF/Portland/LA don’t need you. Atlanta does. The less people treat Atlanta as some transient stepping stone to another place, the better it will be. Don’t give up, raise hell!

    Also: who the hell can’t afford to live in Atlanta but can afford SF?!

  • Larissa

    I can understand how that might seem irrational, Ryan – but something I didn’t address in the article is the need for a “living wage” in Atlanta. Even the servers out here start out making around $10/hr before tips. My old bartending wage was $2.13/hr, and in a slowed-down economy that just doesn’t work.

    Without disclosing my current pay, it is more than enough to comfortably live here. And I think employers in GA undercut people on their pay because the “cost of living is so low.” It’s really not. Having ditched my car saved me $1200 a month.

  • http://sparkerartist.com Sam Parker

    Atlanta is a great place to work and show. Everyone who has contributed to this community knows both the the satisfaction of building something real and honest and at the same time the difficult quagmire of maintaining emerging artist status for a dozen years. This being said, sometimes its just time to move on and find other opportunities. Moving to other cities becoming part of other creative communities is an awesome experience. I wish everyone in this article much success, several of you I consider to be good friends, and I will miss you. Come back to Atlanta and share what you learn.

  • duh

    this will come as shocking news, but young people in all fields leave the city. here’s more shocking news, young people move to atlanta every day as well. people come and people leave. bands come and bands leave. artists come and artist leave. why stay hung up on artists that leave. i’ve been involved in arts here for years and only recognize two names on this list. art is finicky. not just here, but everywhere. one blog mentions you as being “cool” and then you’re the next big thing. then catlanta comes along and is the next big thing. then you’re involved in a graffiti lawsuit and you’ve passed catlanta by.

    my point (i think i have one) is, everything is constantly changing. admire artists from other places, we all do. but for every artist that leaves, some kid from another city will move in and take their place. some will be homegrown. and some will come from places like northern alabama or peru or california.

    personally, i’d rather hear about artists kicking ass here than people that aren’t relevant to atlanta anymore

  • jules

    I’d like to point out that there are just as many amazing artists and creative folks coming into this town as there are leaving, if not more. Change is incredibly healthy for artists. Do what you need to do. But stay sharp, and let’s be honest. Most of the problems you find with Atlanta you’ll find everywhere once the novelty wears off.

  • Mike

    Bravo Ryan! I agree with you completely.

    This seems like a very small sampling of people who aren’t happy because nothing was dropped in their lap. Where’s the alternate viewpoint about why this town so diverse and wonderful? My knee jerk reaction is, “See ya.” Then my grown up side kicks in. How do we fix it? We are the artists begging for people to make Atlanta better which is ridiculous. Any nurturing art community is built by the artists taking care of each other, collaborating, supporting as much as possible, sucking it up when times get hard and not waiting around for something to happen.

  • duh

    i agree with Mike and Ryan. just to add something to what Mike said though – nuturing and all that stuff is fine and dandy. but art is about competition too. every artist i knows whats a solo show. its a status thing. its about being at the top of the food chain. it is for me at least. i don’t want to be part of a coop or collective. you create your art and i’ll create mine. i want to be the alpha artist. so leave because you’ve conquered atlanta with a show at beep beep or mint or aurora. or stay and think outside the box. stay and start an international conference on street art. stay and breathe new life into the scene with a new gallery. stay and show in a place nobody ever thought of having a show like oakland cemetary at night. stay and raise $10,000 to promote art via photography and interviews and other stuff. if you’ve peeked at youngblood and can’t support yourself and you’re too big for atlanta then don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

  • http://karleysullivan.com karley sullivan

    Art communities are not really about where exactly you are anymore. Plus, in terms of location location location, it’s impossible to keep up with a mega-active metropoli art scene. I found myself always behind socially, and studio-wise too (In L.A. and Seoul)! Atlanta’s new to me, it’s interesting, my feet don’t itch yet. To all who have been here forever: go away, make room!
    EVERYBODY gets bored, and if you can, you should move when this happens!!
    But, so many to SF? strange.

  • http://www.joieart.net Joie

    Sometimes a change of scenery is just what an artist needs to ramp up their creativity. I left the Atlanta scene for San Francisco for two reasons:

    1) I spent my whole life in Atlanta and needed something new.
    2) The industry I want to work in (animation/visual development) doesn’t exist in Atlanta.

    Moving cross country infused me with a new vigor for life that nothing else has. Plus going to Grad School out where the industry actually is has helped me endlessly. I do miss Atlanta every now and again, but I know I made the right decision!

  • http://www.wix.com/emarston/emarston E.Marston

    I left Atlanta over the summer for many reasons. After frustration in not being part of the SCAD crowd and the difficulties that brought up I formed “this is us vs.” and curated series that were shown at Studioplex. While in Atlanta during the last two years I was so lucky and that made it so I was able to participate in something like 12 shows over that time as a result of that. I did not leave because of the art scene however I left in order to animate. In the time I have been here I helped start and run a co-op/studio space that I have just left in order to bring my focus back to animation. I miss Atlanta, it is and always will be home but for now I’m here and when I can again I will call Atlanta home again.

  • http://ericshoemaker.com Eric Shoemaker

    I’m from Atlanta. I left. It all came down to lack of creative opportunities for my career.

  • http://web.mac.com/baxtercrane Baxter

    Saying “my move isn’t because Atlanta has a sad, tired scene…” could totally read like I think that it does… I don’t think that at all. In fact, I know that it doesn’t because I immersed myself in it. Atlanta’s scene is awesome. It is also very rough because of its underground charm. I wasn’t blaming the city for my leave, I was saying the reason was because I was lacking as an artist. We were asked to list people who we know who have made it here and I know of a couple of great artists who have. Why it got left out I don’t know. The gallery scene in Atlanta is welcoming and fun, you show me someone who can’t get a show and I’ll tell you where they didn’t try. This article wasn’t “Why artist should give up on Atlanta”, it is just an observation on where the ceiling might be for some artists to move on to try and do different things. Its nice to see people get so defensive over our city, it reaffirms my love for the people’s passion here.

  • Gyun

    Ah, this is wonderful! To see dialogues happening discussing about the context of where we live/participate/and actively create as young artists. Many of my dear artist friends (how much I miss them!) made a decision to leave to Atlanta due to different circumstances – further schooling, visa issues as international students, lack of funding/difficulty of finding jobs, mere frustration//or for better opportunities, etc. etc… and we all are trying to figure this thing out in different locations we live – ‘making it’ as a young artist. We keep in touch discussing what’s been working, not working, what we’re wanting to see happen, whether different jobs we hold are actually going to continue to support living/art making…

    What I hope to see in Atlanta is, as artists/creative minds constantly move in and out of the city, a firmer/more confident identity as a city of cultures and arts.

    With that said, funding for the arts in Georgia is just way too low (49th in the States, really). There isn’t enough money funding non-profit arts organization like Eyedrum and individual artists living in metro-Atlanta and other regions of Georgia. Please apply to Capital Idea, Flux Projects, Fulton County Artist Registry, etc., a short list of things we have to let them realize how much we need financial support.

    I found that doing artist residencies and seeking out opportunities outside of Atlanta energize me with new perspectives. You get to meet people, see other things, and eventually re-contextualize my own creative process. Other cities and artists should get to know more artists here in Atlanta, and by going through a few weeks living with artists/writers from other cities, you start a beautiful network of art community that’s not confined only in Atlanta. Artists like Jiha Moon and Martha Whittington… are constantly in communications with people from other places, while keeping themselves busy here as well.

    Thanks for posting this, and I look forward to having lunches with some of you artists here in Atlanta this summer (as I’m traveling for now).

    xoxo,
    Gyun

  • http://web.mac.com/baxtercrane Baxter

    I would like to hear about your endeavors Marston, I would really like to get into visual development for animation. I chose to go to AAU instead of SCAD. Its cheaper, its accredited (what good that does who knows) and its closer to the companies I want to work for… what are you getting into?

  • http://www.kombochapfika.com Kombo

    Housing is relatively cheap in Atlanta, but from my own experiences independent art sales here are slooooow. In the last year I’ve sold more work to people in other cities. People who sometimes have never been to any shows I was in or even seen the pieces in person.

    Sadly, a lot of people’s urge to leave is just perception: ppl just think Brooklyn, Paris, etc are cooler. So be it, I support their decisions and wish them the best here/there/wherever.

  • maya

    young people leave every city. it is part of our generation. every city i have lived in had an ever-moving flux of young adults roaming the world and establishing their own identity– in every field. transience is part of us…

  • http://www.flickr.com/photos/pressstarttobegin Ashley Anderson

    I’m considering moving to Athens to be close to Atlanta’s art scene, but live someplace quieter so I can be more productive studio-wise.

    Allen Taylor made an excellent point elsewhere that the internet can in some capacity serve to diminish the necessity of relocation; as he put it “live cheap here and export that shit!”, I would assume referring to studio practice, not so much industrial creative careers like animation, industrial design, etc. This is certainly true, but the opportunities in other cities seem to me a persistent point of attraction. However, greater opportunity grows greater competition, so that grass isn’t entirely green. Plus opportunities can be made anywhere, given the proper quantity of will and effort :-/

    For me, the availability of great art from every era and hand is what would most draw me to NYC or LA. Good schools are here as much as there, and school isn’t a guarantee of success anyway. However, the High =/= MoMA, and the opportunities to access and learn from the kind of work hanging in that building is to my mind mighty sexy.

    But that city is ‘spensive! And if Atlanta’s nameless populace is enough to drive me crazy I kinda dread living for a long time in an even bigger city, especially where I can’t say “ma’am” or “sir”. So I’ll experiment with leveling down to that lovely college town so I can breathe and keep in contact, stay engaged, and fly to NYC when I want to immerse myself in roomfuls of Cezanne or Hoffman or Bonnard.

    I support people doing what they want and not letting anything hold them back. Go for yourself, people!

  • Megan

    I don’t think it is fair to say that other cities don’t “need you or want you” or that artists that move are “leeching off of other art scenes.” Why should anyone feel obligated to stay in Atlanta just because they happen to live here now? For the past few months, I have worked with some amazing folks in the city to try and create new opportunities for growth for artists in living in Atlanta, but the fact of the matter is, Atlanta cannot offer me the kinds of opportunities that I need for both educational and professional growth—my field is the decorative arts. I just can’t see myself living in Atlanta long-term, and that’s okay. I love volunteering my time and energy to a place that certainly has the potential to be something greater than it already is. I believe in Atlanta.

    Besides, movement is a good thing! I encourage my artist friends here to travel and seize new experiences and make contacts elsewhere. The problem is not artists moving away because they have given up, because it’s easier to enter an established scene, because their work isn’t up to par. Artists should feel encouraged to become Atlanta representatives and thrive somewhere new! And we should continue to support them by inviting them to come back and show what they have accomplished and learned outside of the city. If Atlanta is truly blossoming, then I don’t see how creative exchange from other parts of the country discourages our efforts for change. Use it as motivation to push harder and challenge artists currently living here, as a way to expand our audience from a local one to a national one, as a way to increase interest in what Atlanta is doing now. Bring the spotlight here! I feel that our greatest problem is losing our artistic leaders—the movers and shakers. How can we support those people, give them the means for a proper livelihood, so they don’t have to work some side job to follow their passions?

  • Magdalene

    This is a pretty insular perspective on the “atlanta art scene.” Mint, Beep Beep, Young Blood, and the like, seem to be what constitutes the scene for Greer and her peers, which is fine, but that is only one small facet. And very often the least interesting art dialogue is taking place in these spaces. The work shown tends to be young, underdeveloped, and often based more in trend and design than anything else. I do apologize for throwing out a blanket statement, but it’s usually true.

    There are incredible dialogues taking place in art institutions and galleries throughout Atlanta and Athens that are compelling enough to keep many successful artists here throughout their careers, even as they show nationally and internationally. For Greer to find a group of young artists/designers (who tend to be nomadic in their 20′s anyway) who have all moved on to new exotic places or job opportunities in rarefied fields isn’t exactly a sign of a mass artist exodus. For every Atlantan who moves to San Francisco, there are probably ten people leaving San Francisco for Beijing, Berlin, etc.

  • ktauches

    atlanta always feels like Casablanca to me. . .
    it’s a place where artists wait together while dreaming to go somewhere else. . .

  • http://thoughtmarker.net mike

    I’m glad everyone is so worked up about this.

  • Larissa

    I really like seeing that people have opinions/give a shit. Makes my faith in Atlanta grow even more.

    Please keep talking about this, guys – and sharing your thoughts with others. Talking about concerns/issues is the best way to identify them…which is the first step in beginning to know how to address them.

  • http://www.kombochapfika.com Kombo

    The urge to leave has been a known issue for several years now. It’s comforting to know that we’re not alone in our frazzling, but some of the core issues are intractable because they’re simply part of larger issues than art. Wealth distribution and cultural cachet take generations to shift significantly. This could just as easily be an article about talent leaving Tennessee/Mississippi for Atlanta. Other more established cities have their allure and deservedly so. The same economic/employment reasons that once motivated my uncle a structural engineer to move to Dubai are at play in the arts. But nobody calls traitor or gets PO’d if a structural engineer moves on. With the arts there’s some provincial possessiveness at play as expressed in some of the harsher comments above.

  • duh

    who cares about artists that are leaving or have left? i’d rather read about artists that are here and kicking ass. its not really news that artists leave here and other artists move here. write about the ones moving here instead.

  • Danielle Harris

    Firstly, there are several ways to take this article. Is it really that negative? I don’t think so. I think for anyone to be super pissed off is only being hyper defensive. I don’t think a single artist listed here would be half as confident if not for the love and nurturing nature of the Atlanta scene. Granted, this article was about why we left and not about why it was hard to leave, not a single person left the “hard” part out of this. If anything, creative people in their twenties are generally excited to try new stuff, just like all of you who moved to Atlanta for the very same reason. Change is essential for inspiration for a lot of hyper active minds.

    If anything, these huge cities lack the tightness of community that Atlanta can offer a person. In several of my responses (not all of which published) I mentioned a lot of reasons Atlanta IS awesome.

    Point being, creative criticism is the nature of the beast. Every city could use some.

  • http://www.aestheticcataclysm.com Aesthetic Cataclysm

    @ Duh…
    I care about the artists that are leaving or have left, and your fucked up attitude is the driving force behind those that make the decision to leave. What you don’t seem to realize is that some of the greatest and most prolific working artists in Atlanta right now are muttering under their collective breath, “I need to leave Atl.”

    There are many aspects of the gallery scene here that elicit an almost universal “what the fuck?” from curators, patrons, art critics and artists alike in many other cities with thriving art scenes. The exclusivity, the banality of subject matter, the ridiculous terms of sale, the mismanagement and disorganization of galleries, events and art spaces. This staggering list goes on ad-nauseum. In 2009 and 2010 I collaborated with “This is Us Vs,” a small movement of rotating local artists vehemently opposed to the clique-ish and almost incestuous exclusivity that a sweeping majority of alternative artists encounter when trying to engage galleries with their work. I heard some real horror stories from this crowd. During my brief period of very rewarding work with this group I began to see first hand the sort of obstacles that artists displaying work with darker, atypical, violent, sexual, or edgier subject matter had to overcome in order for their work to be seen. Make no mistake, there exists in Atlanta a very powerful base of these artists with talent and technical skill levels utterly eclipsing what hangs safely on he walls and sells in these kitschy boutique art-as-disposable-commodity stores. You may know them from the colab groups they break off and form like Art League Atlanta, This is Us Vs, Neon Armour, and the list goes on. But they are growing. Collectively, they have very little meaningful gallery representation and are constantly receiving the brush-off from galleries that simply won’t hang their work. Not because it isn’t good. Far from the case. They don’t play the game. They don’t wear tight jeans, listen to music you’ve never heard of because you aren’t cool enough, and wear espresso glasses. Atlanta galleries taking sometimes upwards of 50% commission with consignment terms that are unheard of in other cities, levels of disorganization that is really unprofessional, with exclusivity to the point of exclusion, are damaging the diversity in the art scene by hanging very safe, very tame, and in many cases, VERY FUCKING TERRIBLE art work in favor of keeping with the status quo. Atlanta has a thriving pool of extremely talented working artists that are willing to crawl their way out of the dirt to hang their work where somebody can see it, and in many cases they continue to go unseen. So they leave. They leave and go to other cities that aren’t dominated by the corruptive influence of graduation-factory art colleges like SCAD and Art Institute where the only requirement for admission is mommy and daddy’s deep pockets. They leave and they thrive. Atlanta needs to wake up before it’s too late and we all realize that the only work left to see on Friday and Saturday night is a collage of pop-culture references from the eighties with some paint splatter on a coffee mug and a large commissioned piece that matches some wealthy Buckhead exec’s gucci chaise lounge.

    This is Us Vs Atlanta. And We Are Coming Back.

  • duh

    @aestheticcataclysm – if they “need” to leave, then i’m down with that. they should leave. and i dont find any fault in someone leaving. i just feel like its a waste of time to cover them in an atlanta art blog. let the city’s blog they’re going to cover them as the next big thing there.

    i do think everything you’ve listed are issues in any city. good luck finding a city that isn’t cliqueish. or that doesn’t have art schools. or that has galleries that don’t want as much commission as they can get. when you find it, let us all know. just don’t use all that shit to get negative on creating art. life’s what you make of it. if doors get shut in your face, kick them down instead of whining about it.

  • Kat

    I have been tempted to leave Atlanta as well. Many of my artist friends already have.

    But I wonder why everyone gives up on Atlanta rather than taking it on.
    The grass is always greener I guess.

  • JJJ

    So what if they leave the city? It sucks that some people think of this as a burned bridge… leaving doesn’t mean any of these artists are cutting themselves off. Obviously they have been active in the galleries in Atlanta, moving to other places will only make the relationships with the people here grow. The idea that someone would get bent out of shape about this only proves their disconnection with artists actually trying to make things happen in this city. The only reason you wouldn’t complain about the hardships of being an artist in Atlanta is if you weren’t doing anything.

  • http://www.urbnpop.com Urbnpop

    This is gonna be hard to not be super blunt and possibly offensive to some folks, so before I begin, accept my apology, or if that is not good enough, stew over what sort of Jerk I am.. The choice is yours.

    Couple points, I would like to address first:

    I will ramble on.. I’m terrible with spelling and grammar.. but I live in Atlanta, and I have (in my own mind) become successful here in Atlanta, and will not leave because of feeling like I’m not making it here or that another place will be better for me.. With this being said, I do not feel that there is anything wrong with searching for new experiences in other cities, or with wanting to feel something new. Bravo, if you do it! but do not blame the town, look deep with in your self.. The problem might start there..

    I have ONLY lived in Atlanta (36yrs), but have shown work in many other states and visited them for weeks at a time showing my artwork, so I feel that I have a fair understanding of both sides. I have had the pleasure of seeing people get excited from my work, just as much as become disappointed by it. That is part of being an artist.

    I’m a art school drop out, I attended AIA in 95/96 and was told that drawing cartoons or comics was not real art and that if I was going to be a professional artist, I should stop fooling around with this childish art and move more to the fine arts. If you have ever crossed my path or seen my art, you know I stuck to my guns, and still draw that childish art (which I would not change for the world)! So my opinion of art school is a bit jaded. Art school is fine, you learn a lot of great stuff, when you have a teacher who is open minded (which in looking back, I did not and that is one reason I never finished). Heck, art school was the place were you got the opportunity to experiment with materials you might not ever get to own your own,which can shift the way you approach art. That is a bonus all in its self.. but I feel, that art school only teaches you so much, and the rest you learn from fumbling around, failing, making and loosing friends, finding your own way and most importantly keeping your chin up, and finding the happiness in the stuff you create and not the opinions of others . If creating art is your bliss, then do it.. Make it, and don’t leave a town you love because your not successful, odds are, if your not giving it 110% all the time here, you won’t in another place, and then just like many folks have said, this article could just as easy be about another state loosing its artist…

    I’m not naive, I know we all need money to survive. I know that the stress builds when your broke and you hate your job. I ended up in the hospital for a week because of it. But like I said earlier, if art is your bliss, then this is what you deal with, not what you will have to deal with.. Lord knows, in the beginning, me and my wife both cried, fought, worried over where my next paycheck would come from, and how we would survive on just hers some months! But we believed in our self’s and stuck it out!

    Malcolm Gladwell states in his book ” Outliners” that it takes 10yrs or 10,000 hours before you are an professional or successful in your craft.. before you give up, ask your self, honestly have I done this? I get up at 8 am every day, and paint 5-8 hrs a day and then travel and do shows almost every weekend showing my art off and have done this for the last 4 years and I have not reached this goal. Its hard, but its not a matter of who has done what. what I get out of his statement, is that if you put the time in to something you love it will grant you success.

    Before I made the switch from artist who wanted to do this full time but was afraid to leave my stable job, to artist who refuses to go back to that life and is doing this full time, I dabbled in many creative projects in Atlanta. I did the band thing, I published a fanzine, I booked concerts for bands, all of which I’m glad I did, but the reason I’m telling you this, what ever I was doing it was hard to grab peoples attention and keep it. Looking back its not that the product or event that was not up to par, but in a city like Atlanta, you need to understand, that there a million things happening every night of the week, and to get people to consider what your doing, can be damn near impossible.. Hell, I’m even guilty of seeing to much to do, and in the end, just sticking with one thing or even just staying home. Its over stimulation..

    Atlanta is an amazing town, we have so many great talents here, but we also have a lot of folks, who judge art by where it is shown or where you went to school. which in my opinion makes it even harder for those who wanted to go a different path. I’m guilty of being frustrated over feeling like, I was not part of the “IN” art crowd, or hip or worthy of showing in a certain gallery’s because I was not as accepted. That’s fine.. there comes a time, when you have to ignore all that goes on and understand that success and failure is weight different. Each one of us will see it different and that might be the reason, why we are loosing artists.
    See it the way you want, but one thing I did not read much about in all these passionate posts was, artist finding ways to show there work out side of the Galleries we have here. When I made the switch to full time artist, I would contact galleries in town and out of town and they would all ask the same thing ” Where else have you shown work? Well if your new to showing, then odds are you probably have not shown in many places, so when I would reply, no where. I would get the kind formulated rejection notice..If I got anything at all. It soon dawned on me, that I needed to take things in my own hands and draw from my experiences playing music and create my own shows!! If any of you guys/gals have played music in a basement show or a show in someones living room, you know what I’m talking about!!

    Who says art has to be in a gallery or a museum. Last Friday, I created art and show art off on a construction fence in Castleberry hills outside a bar. It was one of the best nights I have had. Its the unconventional that makes art exciting to me, I get uncomfortable in those places where people are all dressed up sipping drinks and talking ” artsy fartsy”. Give me a loud room, some beer drinking loudmouths over that any day..
    What I’m trying to get at and like I preference, I ramble is.. take showing your work off in your own hands.. Still support the Galleries, they are an important part of the community. but who says your not an artist if you set up in a bar, or like I do a fairs,fests or comic book conventions.. in the end, you are still showing your work to new people.. and that is what we all want as artist.. for people to see what we create..
    I know many of you have already done this and I applaud you. But just because you did it once or ten times, and did not see if take off , does not mean it was not a good experience. To me every time I get a chance to show my art off it is a good experience.

    Another point I would like to make, is if living in Atlanta is to expensive, then move out to the surrounding areas. Who said you can still drive back in to town? I live in Smyrna, its 15/20 minutes from Atlanta. My rent is affordable and I have a huge basement, where I can make all the art I want..

    Its just another way to take art back in to your own hands. There is no need to leave the state because you are not making it as an artist in Atlanta. You just have to be creative in finding ways to survive..

    Thanks if you read this far, I love this town, and love the people who I have come in contact with here. You are inspiring to me. I honestly think that people are judging success by a monetary gain, but you have to understand that art is not that. Its about being able to express your self.

    Please stick with it, and do not give up! Its hard, but again, if this is your bliss, then it will all be worth it. I’ll leave you with this line from a song by Frank Turner…
    “I could have played safe,
    but in the end the journey’s brought joys that outweigh the pain.”

    Thanks for reading

    Chris

  • http://www.urbnpop.com Urbnpop

    one more thing, if you left because your field is not here,
    (animation,game design, what have you..) then there is nothing wrong with that. Its a shame, that we do not have that opportunity available for you. That is not the city’s fault. Its the companies you want to work with, for not seeing Atlanta as a place of growth for their industry. For the artist’s that are upset for not being successful here in Atlanta, then look at your self, and think about why your not and why others are.. There are just as many opportunities here as there are in San Francisco or LA, or NY..Go find them or ask for help.. There are artist in town doing just fine, that would love to help if they were just asked.

  • Larissa

    I am really interested by the responses this piece has been getting, and I want to commend everyone on their passion in relation to this subject. A few points that I think are being overlooked/misunderstood:

    1: None of the people I interviewed in this article left for LACK of success in Atlanta, they are all highly motivated, fairly successful young artists. So nobody was really complaining about lack of success, they were pointing out more or less the lack of room to grow.

    2: By having these people interviewed, and having this article published…I was hoping to start a conversation in Atlanta that would help the dozens of struggling young artists that I am still connected to there. This is not some irrelevant bitchfest, this was meant to be constructive. “How can we help the people that are still there, being artists who left?” Was the basic idea – think of it as an exit interview, conducted for the benefit of people still in the midst of things.

    3: It makes me sad that I can walk into the SFMOMA and see works hanging on the walls by my current advisors and professors, but that the HIGH doesn’t really do that…and there’s no middle ground for the people hovering in their 30s-40s, calling Atlanta home. EVEN THOUGH they soak up a huge amount of arts money (grants, etc). I think there is a huge gap in city and state priorities in relation to providing assistance to nonprofits, small museums, etc. THAT is what needs to be addressed, not the “scene”. I’m shocked that some of you are not realizing that, after reading many of these loooonngggg angry posts. Get angry at the people controlling the funds!! PLEASE!! You have passion, start using it to ask questions and get things done!

    And lastly, it breaks my heart to be treated as a deserter for leaving Atlanta to live somewhere else, and open up new opportunities for my friends back home. Which is what I’m currently trying to do, every day. I’m still working for Atlanta, I love my friends there, I believe in them, and I don’t appreciate being told to fuck off because I’m not living in the city anymore. If you continue to treat people this way, you’re burning bridges to new opportunities that can challenge and grow Atlanta’s art community WAAAYYY beyond Poncey Highland.

    Please keep responding, and keep these things in the back of your mind.

  • http://bangbabe.wordpress.com/ Lena

    I initially read this article because the title caught my eye. I’ve been hovering around and participating in various aspects of the Atlanta art scene for nearly a decade now. I was born and raised here, and the performances I saw as a young child at places like The Fox and yes even The Shakespeare Tavern are what opened my suburbanite eyes to an entire world of beautiful ideas. I started volunteering at every theatre I could get myself into, and over the years I’ve branched out to work with galleries, music groups, and performance art. I’ve watched. I’ve applauded. I’ve made friends with the artists I admire, and late at night over after show drinks I have listened to them talk about why this actor or that dancer or even themselves have left Atlanta for other cities.

    So when I saw this article being passed around Facebook I said to myself, “Finally! We can get to the nitty gritty! we can TALK about it and maybe even come up with a solution or two!”

    But that wasn’t what I found when I began to read. Instead this article highlights the lives of young artists who are simply doing exactly what you do in you are young: You leave the nest. The artists included did not leave because Atlanta did something wrong or failed to fill some gaping void in the arts community, but because they decided to pursue higher degrees at prestigious schools, or took jobs in other cities (during a time when all across our country people are relocating because any job is hard to find, not just jobs in graphic design or artistic fields. These days if you are lucky enough to find a job in a field you love, or hell were even trained in then you take it regardless of where it is).

    I’m not saying that Atlanta is a Utopian refuge for arts and culture. It’s not. I love this city with everything I’ve got and it’s because of that I can say: we got issues. But instead of condescendingly trumpeting 20 somethings who relocate to better climes because they’re “bored with the same old galleries” let’s have a real discussion. Let’s talk about the the disconnect between our arts community and our legislature that paved the way for last year’s attempts to shut down The Georgia Council for the Arts. As members of this community let’s start picking at ourselves for our own tendancy to become so insular that people living OTP barely even know our biggest most successful spaces exist, much less the smaller independent ones that are pushing those emerging artists. And frankly while we’re at it let’s talk about the belief among our community that Atlanta is a rest-stop on a road to something greater that seems to insinuate itself into every topic of conversation.

    Atlanta isn’t NYC or LA or Chicago. In my humble opinion that’s wonderful! Let’s start celebrating that and figuring out not how to be those cities, but how to be ourselves to the very best of our abilities. Nearly every person interviewed for this article commented on an intangible thing that no matter where they have gone on to, they have not found outside of Atlanta. Instead of bemoaning a lack of funding and whining about how other cities the same size as us support their arts, let’s start making our art so completely vital that the world outside of Little 5 Points and Castleberry Hill has no choice but to take notice. And while we’re at it let’s start demanding that that artwork be good. Let’s hold ourselves to a standard of quality.

    At the end of the day more than anything else…more than the funding, the lack of audiences, the lack of supposed opportunities…more than ALL of that if the work you are doing is GOOD, if it touches on something beyond the surface that reaches down to connect to our primal selves then it will find it’s way to the audience. But it takes time and it takes a hell of a lot of work. And maybe that is what’s so wonderful about Atlanta.

    Being raised a girl of The South, not those fake southern girls who put on daisy dukes and show off an affected accent, but a true southerner we learned that while I may not be able to pay for your dinner I can give you the cup of flour you need to make it. As a member of this arts community now I hold the same philosophy. I can’t fund your film or your opening but let’s sit down over coffee and talk about how I can write a press release for you or put up flyers on every available surface in the city. And if you’ve got something really good then let’s sit down and talk about how we can make that into an opportunity that goes beyond you and me and helps Atlanta become the gem that it can be.

  • http://bangbabe.wordpress.com/ Lena

    And since it posted while I was posting my own comment, in response to Larissa’s reply.

    If you wanted to start a conversation about lack of funding or a disconnect between the smaller galleries and places like the high, or include the struggles/successes of artists over the age of 25, then why not write THAT article?

  • BPJ

    One interesting thing about the artists’ comments in the article (and the majority of comments following) is how positive about Atlanta most of them are. Seeing the title, I had expected mostly comments of the “Atlanta stinks” variety; an attentive reading of the article will reveal a much more complex picture.

    I’ve heard artists in New York, LA, and Paris complain about how hard it is there, how narrow the art circles are, etc. People leave Atlanta for a variety of reasons, and new artists arrive daily.

    That doesn’t mean I’m suggesting that we should not care about, or try to address, reasons that talented artists leave here, although I am suggesting a certain composure about it.

    What are some of the things that need to happen? There are several comments here about government funding. One effort worth your attention is House Bill 73, which allows local governments to implement, by referendum, a fractional sales tax which would fund arts, parks, and even transit. (The bill is long and complicated, and looks like it won’t pass this session, but it would provide reliable arts funding in the jurisdictions which chose to implement it. Fulton County is one place which would almost certainly use this.) Get to know your state legislators, and tell them you support HB 73, the “local growth bill”. (This title goes over better under the Gold Dome than “arts funding bill”.)

    Another effort which we can all make in various ways is to develop more informed collectors here. Some of the (maligned) gallery owners actually do a great deal in this regard. Several local insitutions (The Contemporary, MOCAGA, and yes even the High) have had programs of the sort. More Atlantans need to learn that they don’t have to go to galleries elsewhere (Cinque Hicks has written about this). I’ve taken some friends interested in collecting along on events such as the West Side Art Walk, and they are always surprised that Atlanta has such galleries.

    There was good news recently about the High’s plan to show work from MOCAGA’s collection. And the current show of contemporary drawings features a few local artists. Michael Rooks seems quite intested in the Atlanta arts community. So there are some positive developments. Thanks for stimulating an informative and (mostly) balanced discussion.

  • CJ

    Great article, great dialogue here! I would LOVE to see a similar discussion regarding Atlanta musicians who have left or are considering leaving; I would imagine we’d see many similar themes.

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  • http://www.johntindel.com tindel

    Having a hard time figuring out what I want to say on this article. I have been doing this in Atlanta for 10 years, and never had a scene, never been funded by some grant, never really cared what the High did, never even had full on gallery representation. It is 2011 – you can create and sell art from a cave. Seems a scenes use is only to have enough people to clear you out of alcohol when you have a show. Look at your art creation as a career and do what is needed to further and fund your career. Find individual people who buy art. Learn to build a website. Market yourself. Don’t sit and think that your career choice is so noble that you should be funded. Get work, make money, make art…

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  • Jeremy Abernathy

    What about people from other cities who relocate to the South? How can we expand this picture of where people are going and why?

    Another perspective:
    “The art scenes of New York and Los Angeles … are certainly steeped in history and clout, but our experiences in New Orleans and Atlanta allow us the freedom to forge new paths — largely because of the openness and generosity of these communities.” — Kristin Juarez
    http://bit.ly/h9bMBY

  • http://www.shanarobbins.com Shana Robbins

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/03/patti-smith-to-artists-do_n_560794.html

    Patti Smith says don’t believe the hype about NY. I concur. Wherever you go, there you are.

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